“The sun arises, and the sun goes down and draws toward its place.”
Draws Toward Its Place
Except for the last three hundred years a geocentric universe
was the generally held belief throughout the world rather
than heliocentric universe.
“Copernicanism was the first major victory of science over religion.” (Steven Dutch of the University of Wisconsin–Madison)
“Morris Berman quotes survey results that show currently some 20% of the U.S. population believe that the sun goes around the Earth (geocentricism) rather than the Earth goes around the sun (heliocentricism), while a further 9% claimed not to know. Polls conducted by Gallup in the 1990s found that 16% of Germans, 18% of Americans and 19% of Britons hold that the Sun revolves around the Earth. A study conducted in 2005 by Jon D. Miller of Northwestern University, an expert in the public understanding of science and technology, found that about 20%, or one in five, of American adults believe that the Sun orbits the Earth. According to 2011 VTSIOM poll, 32% of Russians believe that the Sun orbits the Earth.”
The Book of Enoch would also seem to support a geocentric view of the universe in chapters 72-75, under the heading “The Book of the Courses of the Heavenly Luminaries”.
“And I saw six portals in which the sun rises, and six portals in which the sun sets and the moon rises and sets in these portals, and the leaders of the stars and those whom they lead: six in the east and six in the west, and all following each other in accurately corresponding order: also many windows to the right and left of these portals.” Enoch 72:3
Below are some verses we thought you may find interesting related to the subject matter. All the Old Testament verses come from the Septuagint version of the Bible. The New Testament verses are from the King James Version.
Joshua said, Let the sun stand over against Gabaon, and the moon over against the valley of Ælon. And the sun and the moon stood still, until God executed vengeance on their enemies; and the sun stood still in the midst of heaven; it did not proceed to set till the end of one day. Joshua 10:12-13
The sun was exalted, and the moon stood still in her course. Habakkuk 3:11
Their voice is gone out into all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world. In the sun he has set his tabernacle; and he comes forth as a bridegroom out of his chamber: he will exult as a giant to run his course. His going forth is from the extremity of heaven, and his circuit to the other end of heaven. Psalm 19:4-6
The sun arises, and the sun goes down and draws toward its place; arising there it proceeds southward, and goes round toward the north. Ecclesiastes 1:5
Let the whole earth fear before him; let the earth be established, and not be moved. 1 Chronicles 16:30
The Lord reigns; he has clothed himself with honour: the Lord has clothed and girded himself with strength; for he has established the world, which shall not be moved. Psalm 93:1
Say among the heathen, The Lord reigns: for he has established the
world so that it shall not be moved.
It is he that comprehends the circle of the earth. Isaiah 40:22
He stretches out the north wind upon nothing, and he upon nothing hangs the earth. Job 26:7
Wilt thou establish with him foundations for the ancient heavens? they are strong as a molten mirror. Job 37:18
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. Matthew 24:29
And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. Mark 13:25
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Revelation 6:13
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. Revelation 12:4
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the water, and let it be a division between water and water, and it was so. And God made the firmament, and God divided between the water which was under the firmament and the water which was above the firmament. Genesis 1:6-7
In the six hundredth year of the life of Noe, in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, on this day all the fountains of the abyss were broken up, and the flood-gates of heaven were opened. Genesis 7:11
For windows have been opened in heaven, and the foundations of the earth shall be shaken. Isaiah 24:18
Geocentricism (Edited from a much longer article.)
In astronomy, the geocentric model (also known as geocentrism, or the Ptolemaic system) is a description of the cosmos where Earth is at the orbital center of all celestial bodies. This model served as the predominant cosmological system in many ancient civilizations such as ancient Greece including the noteworthy systems of Aristotle (see Aristotelian physics) and Ptolemy. As such, they believed that the Sun, Moon, stars, and naked eye planets circled Earth.
Two commonly made observations supported the idea that Earth was the center of the Universe. The stars, the sun, and planets appear to revolve around Earth each day, making Earth the center of that system. The stars were thought to be on a celestial sphere, with the earth at its center, that rotated each day, using a line through the north and south pole as an axis. The stars closest to the equator appeared to rise and fall the greatest distance, but each star circled back to its rising point each day. The second observation supporting the geocentric model was that the Earth does not seem to move from the perspective of an Earth-bound observer, and that it is solid, stable, and unmoving.
Ancient Greeks believed that the motions of the planets were circular and not elliptical, a view that was not challenged in Western culture until the 17th century through the synthesis of theories by Copernicus and Kepler.
The astronomical predictions of Ptolemy's geocentric model were used to prepare astrological and astronomical charts for over 1500 years. The geocentric model held sway into the early modern age, but from the late 16th century onward was gradually superseded by the heliocentric model of Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler. There was much resistance to the transition between these two theories. Christian theologians were reluctant to reject a theory that agreed with Bible passages (e.g. "Sun, stand you still upon Gibeon", Joshua 10:12 – King James 2000 Bible). Others felt a new, unknown theory could not subvert an accepted consensus for geocentrism.
In the 4th century BC, two influential Greek philosophers, Plato and his student Aristotle, wrote works based on the geocentric model. According to Plato, the Earth was a sphere, stationary at the center of the universe. The stars and planets were carried around the Earth on spheres or circles, arranged in the order (outwards from the center): Moon, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, fixed stars, with the fixed stars located on the celestial sphere.
Eudoxus of Cnidus, who worked with Plato, developed a more mathematical explanation of the planets' motion based on Plato's dictum stating that all phenomena in the heavens can be explained with uniform circular motion. Aristotle elaborated on Eudoxus' system.
In the fully developed Aristotelian system, the spherical Earth is at the center of the universe, and all other heavenly bodies are attached to 47–55 transparent concentric spheres which rotate around the Earth.
Adherence to the geocentric model stemmed largely from several important observations. First of all, if the Earth did move, then one ought to be able to observe the shifting of the fixed stars due to stellar parallax. In short, if the earth was moving, the shapes of the constellations should change considerably over the course of a year. If they did not appear to move, the stars are either much farther away than the Sun and the planets than previously conceived, making their motion undetectable, or in reality they are not moving at all.
Another observation used in favor of the geocentric model at the time was the apparent consistency of Venus' luminosity, which implies that it is usually about the same distance from Earth, which in turn is more consistent with geocentrism than heliocentrism. In reality, that is because the loss of light caused by Venus' phases compensates for the increase in apparent size caused by its varying distance from Earth. Objectors to heliocentrism noted that terrestrial bodies naturally tend to come to rest as near as possible to the center of the earth. Further barring the opportunity to fall closer the center, terrestrial bodies tend not to move unless forced by an outside object, or transformed to a different element by heat or moisture.
Atmospheric explanations for many phenomena were preferred because the Eudoxan–Aristotelian model based on perfectly concentric spheres was not intended to explain changes in the brightness of the planets due to a change in distance. Eventually, perfectly concentric spheres were abandoned as it was impossible to develop a sufficiently accurate model under that ideal. However, while providing for similar explanations, the later deferent and epicycle model was flexible enough to accommodate observations for many centuries.
Although the basic tenets of Greek geocentrism were established by the time of Aristotle, the details of his system did not become standard. The Ptolemaic system, developed by the Hellenistic astronomer Claudius Ptolemaeus in the 2nd century AD finally standardised geocentrism. His main astronomical work, the Almagest, was the culmination of centuries of work by Hellenic, Hellenistic and Babylonian astronomers. For over a millennium European and Islamic astronomers assumed it was the correct cosmological model. Because of its influence, people sometimes wrongly think the Ptolemaic system is identical with the geocentric model.
Ptolemy argued that the Earth was in the center of the universe, from the simple observation that half the stars were above the horizon and half were below the horizon at any time (stars on rotating stellar sphere), and the assumption that the stars were all at some modest distance from the center of the universe. If the Earth was substantially displaced from the center, this division into visible and invisible stars would not be equal.
To summarize, Ptolemy devised a system that was compatible with Aristotelian philosophy and managed to track actual observations and predict future movement mostly to within the limits of the next 1000 years of observations.
The geocentric model was eventually replaced by the heliocentric model. The earliest heliocentric model, Copernican heliocentrism, could remove Ptolemy's epicycles because the retrograde motion could be seen to be the result of the combination of Earth and planet movement and speeds. Copernicus felt strongly that equants were a violation of Aristotelian purity, and proved that replacement of the equant with a pair of new epicycles was entirely equivalent. Astronomers often continued using the equants instead of the epicycles because the former was easier to calculate, and gave the same result.
It has been determined, in fact, that the Copernican, Ptolemaic and even the Tychonic models provided identical results to identical inputs. They are computationally equivalent. It wasn't until Kepler demonstrated a physical observation that could show that the physical sun is directly involved in determining an orbit that a new model was required.
Ptolemy did not invent or work out this order, which aligns with the ancient Seven Heavens religious cosmology common to the major Eurasian religious traditions. It also follows the decreasing orbital periods of the moon, sun, planets and stars.
Religious and contemporary adherence to geocentrism
The Ptolemaic model of the solar system held sway into the early modern age; from the late 16th century onward it was gradually replaced as the consensus description by the heliocentric model. Geocentrism as a separate religious belief, however, never completely died out. In the United States between 1870 and 1920, for example, various members of the Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod published articles disparaging Copernican astronomy, and geocentrism was widely taught within the synod during that period. However, in the 1902 Theological Quarterly, A. L. Graebner claimed that the synod had no doctrinal position on geocentrism, heliocentrism, or any scientific model, unless it were to contradict Scripture. He stated that any possible declarations of geocentrists within the synod did not set the position of the church body as a whole.
Articles arguing that geocentrism was the biblical perspective appeared in some early creation science newsletters associated with the Creation Research Society pointing to some passages in the Bible, which, when taken literally, indicate that the daily apparent motions of the Sun and the Moon are due to their actual motions around the Earth rather than due to the rotation of the Earth about its axis for example, Joshua 10:12 where the Sun and Moon are said to stop in the sky, and Psalms 93:1 where the world is described as immobile. Contemporary advocates for such religious beliefs include Robert Sungenis (president of Bellarmine Theological Forum and author of the 2006 book Galileo Was Wrong). These people subscribe to the view that a plain reading of the Bible contains an accurate account of the manner in which the universe was created and requires a geocentric worldview. Most contemporary creationist organizations reject such perspectives.
After all, Copernicanism was the first major victory of science over religion, so it's inevitable that some folks would think that everything that's wrong with the world began there. (Steven Dutch of the University of Wisconsin–Madison)
Morris Berman quotes survey results that show currently some 20% of the U.S. population believe that the sun goes around the Earth (geocentricism) rather than the Earth goes around the sun (heliocentricism), while a further 9% claimed not to know. Polls conducted by Gallup in the 1990s found that 16% of Germans, 18% of Americans and 19% of Britons hold that the Sun revolves around the Earth. A study conducted in 2005 by Jon D. Miller of Northwestern University, an expert in the public understanding of science and technology, found that about 20%, or one in five, of American adults believe that the Sun orbits the Earth. According to 2011 VTSIOM poll, 32% of Russians believe that the Sun orbits the Earth.
Some Orthodox Jewish leaders, particularly the Lubavitcher Rebbe, maintain a geocentric model of the universe based on the aforementioned Biblical verses and an interpretation of Maimonides to the effect that he ruled that the earth is orbited by the sun. The Lubavitcher Rebbe also explained that geocentrism is defensible based on the theory of Relativity, which establishes that "when two bodies in space are in motion relative to one another, ... science declares with absolute certainty that from the scientific point of view both possibilities are equally valid, namely that the earth revolves around the sun, or the sun revolves around the earth."
There is some evidence that geocentrist beliefs are becoming increasingly common among Orthodox Jews.
5.“The term "firmament" (רקיע- rāqîa') denotes the atmosphere between the heavenly realm and the earth (Gen. 1:6–7, 20) where the celestial bodies move (Gen. 1:14–17). It can also be used as a synonym for "heaven" (Gen. 1:8; Ps. 19:2). This "firmament is part of the heavenly structure whether it is the equivalent of "heaven/sky" or is what separates it from the earth. […] The ancient Israelites also used more descriptive terms for how God created the celestial realm, and based on the collection of these more specific and illustrative terms, I would propose that they had two basic ideas of the composition of the heavenly realm. First is the idea that the heavenly realm was imagined as a vast cosmic canopy. The verb used to describe metaphorically how God stretched out this canopy over earth is הטנ (nātāh) "stretch out," or "spread." "I made the earth, and created humankind upon it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host (Isa. 45:12)." In the Bible this verb is used to describe the stretching out (pitching) of a tent. Since the texts that mention the stretching out of the sky are typically drawing on creation imagery, it seems that the figure intends to suggest that the heavens are Yahweh's cosmic tent. One can imagine ancient Israelites gazing up to the stars and comparing the canopy of the sky to the roofs of the tents under which they lived. In fact, if one were to look up at the ceiling of a dark tent with small holes in the roof during the daytime, the roof, with the sunlight shining through the holes, would look very much like the night sky with all its stars. The second image of the material composition of the heavenly realm involves a firm substance. The term רקיע (răqîa'), typically translated "firmament," indicates the expanse above the earth. The root רקע means "stamp out" or "forge." The idea of a solid, forged surface fits well with Ezekiel 1 where God's throne rests upon the רקיע (răqîa'). According to Genesis 1, the רקיע(rāqîa') is the sphere of the celestial bodies (Gen. 1:6–8, 14–17; cf. ben Sira 43:8). It may be that some imagined the עיקר to be a firm substance on which the celestial bodies rode during their daily journeys across the sky.”
7. What is described in Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 was the commonly accepted structure of the universe from at least late in the second millennium BCE to the fourth or third century BCE. It represents a coherent model for the experiences of the people of Mesopotamia through that period. It reflects a world-view that made sense of water coming from the sky and the ground as well as the regular apparent movements of the stars, sun, moon, and planets. There is a clear understanding of the restrictions on breeding between different species of animals and of the way in which human beings had gained control over what were, by then, domestic animals. There is also recognition of the ability of humans to change the environment in which they lived. This same understanding occurred also in the great creation stories of Mesopotamia; these stories formed the basis for the Jewish theological reflections of the Hebrew Scriptures concerning the creation of the world. The Jewish priests and theologians who constructed the narrative took accepted ideas about the structure of the world and reflected theologically on them in the light of their experience and faith. There was never any clash between Jewish and Babylonian people about the structure of the world, but only about who was responsible for it and its ultimate theological meaning. The envisaged structure is simple: Earth was seen as being situated in the middle of a great volume of water, with water both above and below Earth. A great dome was thought to be set above Earth (like an inverted glass bowl), maintaining the water above Earth in its place. Earth was pictured as resting on foundations that go down into the deep. These foundations secured the stability of the land as something that is not floating on the water and so could not be tossed about by wind and wave. The waters surrounding Earth were thought to have been gathered together in their place. The stars, sun, moon, and planets moved in their allotted paths across the great dome above Earth, with their movements defining the months, seasons, and year. Wikipedia
“They deliberately lie about ancient wisdom and knowledge as though it was ridiculous. They try to ridicule the old wisdom and the old knowledge as though it were all false and they're the only ones that really know, they've only found it out lately and they are revealing these marvellous truths to you for the first time! When actually man has forgotten more truth than they ever knew, and more things about creation and the way things operate and astrology and all the rest! Modern man is not as smart as he thinks he is.
"And God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." What waters were they? At that time, the only waters we've heard about, the whole face of the earth was covered with water. He said, let there be a space between the waters and let it divide the waters from the waters!
Here we obviously have the sun and the moon and the stars, and where do we find them? In the firmament of heaven! Between the waters! Sun, moon and stars, obviously above the waters on the earth, and apparently below the waters somewhere above!
Where are the sun, moon and stars, in the firmament! And where is this firmament? Between the waters. The waters below, obviously on the earth, and the waters above! If the Bible is true, there's water out there somewhere beyond the stars!
The stars are not that far away!
When they (scientists) get beyond man's little limit here of the solar system, they’ve gone too far.
Even the earliest men mapped charts of the stars thousands of years ago, and some of them have been in existence for we know hundreds of years and far before that, because there were astrologers even in Daniel’s day (600 BC) and before that. They knew all about the stars, probably even more about stars than we do today!
There’s only 6,000 years of history since creation, right? It says that on the fourth day He made the stars also, so when did he make them, 6,000 years ago. Do you think you could see them then? Well, we know by history that they've been for quite awhile before this, in fact, several thousand years!
It’s my personal conviction that the stars were visible I would say at least that day, "lights in the heavens", you must have been able to see them if they were lights. So if they saw them that same day, on the fourth day, they certainly couldn't have been more than twenty four hours away. Two-thirds of a billion in an hour? Well, let's say at least by the tenth hour of the day they could see them, so you've got about maybe six billion miles away. Ten times your 600-and-some million is six billion. I’ll confess six billion miles is quite a little ways!
They undoubtedly have to be less than one light day away, so they're only a few light hours away at the very most!--not billions and trillions of light years.
So your beautiful constellations and stars and galaxies and all the rest that you can see out there through the telescopes, you can even see with the naked eye 4,000 of them and have been ever since creation, according to all the star charts and everything they've had since thousands of years ago, they've never changed! So I’m convinced by the time some of those first ones were made by the first astrologers, they hadn't changed a bit from the day of creation to their time!
To finish the story, not only are the stars not so far away, but there's something even further away than the stars! The water above the firmament!
So therefore if he created the stars and they were there on that fourth day of creation, and within this firmament of space between here and the outer waters, obviously they couldn't be too far away--they certainly couldn't be light years away! They are very far and they are very high, "behold, the stars how high they are."
Stars are out there beyond, (the planets) but they're not that far beyond. They’re far out, but they're not that far out.
My personal conviction is I don't think they're even that far away! I don't think they're very much beyond the solar system itself.
Just remember, whenever it comes to contradicting God's word in any way, shape or form, I don't care how much they pretend to prove it. It just isn’t so! So there you are! The stars have been here ever since God made them on the fourth day, and that's only 6,000 years ago, so they couldn't be as far away as they say. So I believe the bible.” Excerpts from Astronomical Fakery 1981 SOURCE:(http://www.peopleofthekeys.com/)
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Creation Groaneth And Travaileth
Greetings! Continuing on from last weeks introduction concerning geocentricism and heliocentricism we want to postulate an idea. It is based on the idea of a geocentric universe that is limited in size as opposed to a heliocentric universe which may be limitless in size.
Below are some verses that we think could help to lend support to the hypothesis we plan to put forth.
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. v21
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. v22
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. V23
In these verses we wanted to point out the word “delivered” in verse 21. and also how it is the entire creation, not just the earth, that is groaning and travailing in pain in verse 22. and in Colossians 1:16-17 the creation not only seems to include the earth but the entire universe both seen and unseen.
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
So when does this deliverance take place?
Romans 8:23 is very specific as to when this happens, at the time of the redemption of our body, and 1Corinthians 15 is even more specific:
“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
And 1 Thessalonians 4:16:
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.”
And Revelation 10:7:
“But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”
The whole creation groaning and travailing in pain waiting to be delivered sounds to us very similar to a woman who is pregnant and about to give birth.
"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."
Luke 21:28 like Romans 8:23 again uses the word “redemption” at the time of the second coming of Jesus.
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Here we see a pregnant woman in heaven about to give birth to a man child who is to “rule all nations with a rod of iron”. We know this prophecy has not been fulfilled and will not be fulfilled until the second coming of Jesus. He certainly did not rule all nations with a rod of iron upon His first coming.
Psalm 2:9 speaks of this same event: “Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.”.
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Continuing in Luke 1, one of the first things Mary does after receiving this message from Gabriel is to visit her cousin Elisabeth who is six months pregnant with John the Baptist. As soon as Elisabeth hears Mary's greeting the babe leaped in her womb.
“And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost.”
Obviously the “womb” is of tremendous importance both spiritually and physically.
Three other verses in which “womb” could almost be interpreted as somewhat of an enigma are;
“Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning.” (KJV)
“And I shut up the sea with gates, when it rushed out, coming forth out its mother’s womb.”
“Out of whose womb comes the ice?”
“And the Lord said to her, There are two nations in thy womb.”
Here we have the Lord speaking of the sea coming out of its mothers womb, ice coming out of a womb and two nations coming from Rachel's womb.
Very mysterious occurrences. When you think about two nations coming from the womb of a woman it sounds, well, unusual.
Obviously pregnancy, the womb, and deliverance both spiritually and physically are absolutely fundamentally essential for our redemption.
Before wrapping this up we wanted to share a few verses from Proverbs, chapter eight, regarding the Holy Spirit, the third member of the Godhead.
“Thou shalt proclaim wisdom, that understanding may be obedient to thee. For she is on lofty eminences, and stands in the midst of the ways. For she sits by the gates of princes, and sings in the entrances.
The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works. He established me before time was in the beginning, before he made the earth: even before he made the depths; before the fountains of water came forth: before the mountains were settled, and before all hills, he begets me. The Lord made countries and uninhabited tracks, and the highest inhabited parts of the world. When he prepared the heaven, I was present with him; and when he prepared his throne upon the winds: and when he strengthened the clouds above; and when he secured the fountains of the earth: and when he strengthened the foundations of the earth: I was by him, suiting myself to him, I was that wherein he took delight; and daily I rejoiced in his presence continually.”
Wisdom, as is very clear, is definitely referred to in the feminine pronoun. Those of you familiar with this web site will know that we believe the Holy Spirit to be the female representative of the trinity.
Incidentally the Shekiniah Glory, which rested between the wings of the Cherubim on the mercy seat atop the Ark of the Covenant, was a feminine representation of the glory of God.
“And God said, Let us make man according to our image and likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the flying creatures of heaven, and over the cattle and all the earth, and over all the reptiles that creep on the earth. And God made man, according to the image of God he made him, male and female he made them.”
Lets go back to the idea of a finite geocentric universe.
If the Bible is to be taken literally, outside the universe is some type of water surrounding the universe.
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the water, and let it be a division between water and water, and it was so. And God made the firmament, and God divided between the water which was under the firmament and the water which was above the firmament. And God called the firmament Heaven, and God saw that it was good, and there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
“In the six hundredth year of the life of Noe, in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, on this day all the fountains of the abyss were broken up, and the flood-gates (windows) of heaven were opened.”
Is it possible that the water that exists around the universe is representative or could actually be the womb of the Holy Spirit which the whole creation is groaning and travailing in pain together waiting to to be delivered through the redemption by the second coming of Jesus the Messiah?
The womb of the universe, seen and unseen.
COMMENTS from Steve 07/12/15:-
I will add to the above very intriguing article, as very often both what we have been taught at university and college, especially in SCIENCE is often NOT COMPLETE. If you read my book "OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT", you might change your views about the earth being solid. P
ersonally I think it much more logical & likely that the earth is actually HOLLOW. There are many verses both in the bible and other Apocrypha books talking about the earth as being like unto a WOMB.
I will research and find some of the references to the above very interesting HYPOTHESIS! All I can say is that if our eyes are opened, we will see more and more truths, which often expose the LIES and PREVIOUS doctrines that EDUCATION forced on us when we were young and impressionable.
The TRUTH is very often much stranger than even fiction!
What's buckling this California
road? Canyon road breaks into
warped waves in geological riddle
that is puzzling experts
- Vasquez Canyon Road in Santa Clarita has been closed indefinitely following mysterious landslide
- Pavement lurched upwards by 15 feet in some places as the road rose by the hour from last Thursday
- No recent earthquake or rainstorm caused landslide, though scientist says rocks may be saturated from last month
Vasquez Canyon Road, in Los Angeles County's Santa Clarita Valley, has been closed indefinitely after it mysteriously buckled late last week and became an undulating strip of cracked pavement.
Pictures show that the road began jutting up quickly on last Thursday, and soil was still shifting in the area on Monday after cracking and rising more than 15 feet in places.
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A road in Los Angeles County's Santa Clarita Valley has become heavily warped after the adjacent hillside slid underneath it. Above, a residents cycles over the wave-like road
Images of the event showed the road split open, and parts of the thoroughfare had lurched up as much as 15 feet from where they previously were
The Los Angeles County Department of shared photos that showed the road buckling significantly over a matter of hours on Thursday
'This isn’t just the road; it’s the mountain itself that’s moving and it’s pushing the road up,' Los Angeles County Public Works's Paul Funk told KTLA.
Power poles and lines were tipped over next to the shifting road, though Southern California Edison says it has cut off power to that line and customers received electricity from other channels.
Officials said that there was no obvious reason for the hillside to suddenly begin shifting so dramatically.
No seismic activity occurred on Thursday to cause the landslide.
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THE MYSTERY OF TEARS
Looking At Tears Under A Microscope Reveals A Shocking Fact.
One day Rose-Lynn Fisher wondered if her tears of grief would look different compared to her tears of joy, so she began to explore them up close under a microscope.
She studied 100 different tears and found that basal tears (the ones that our body produces to lubricate our eyes) are drastically different from the tears that happen when we are chopping onions. The tears that come about from hard laughter aren’t even close to the tears of sorrow. Like a drop of ocean water each tiny tear drop carries a microcosm of human experience. Her project is called The Topography of Tears.
Tears from laughing until crying
Tears of change
Tears of grief
Tears from onions
Joseph Stromberg of the Smithsonian’s Collage of Arts and Sciences explained that there are three major types of tears: basal, reflex, and psychic (triggered by emotions). All tears contain organic substances including oils, antibodies, and enzymes and are suspended in salt water. Different types of tears have distinct molecules. Emotional tears have protein-based hormones including the neurotransmitter leucine enkephalin, which is a natural painkiller that is released when we are stressed. Plus, the tears seen under the microscope are crystallized salt and can lead to different shapes and forms. So even psychic tears with the same chemical composition can look very different. Fisher said, “There are so many variables—there’s the chemistry, the viscosity, the setting, the evaporation rate and the settings of the microscope.”
Tears of timeless reunion
Tears of ending and beginning
Tears of momentum, redirected
Tears of release
Tears of possibility and hope
Tears of elation at a liminal moment
Tears of remembrance
Like snow flakes and fingerprints, no tears are alike. I can't believe the difference between all of these.
Source: Rose-Lynn Fisher