ONE OF THE LATEST ARTICLES: THE WORD OF GOD = JESUS, EVEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

JESUS 'THE WORD OF GOD'CREATOR - By S.N.Strutt  (Adapted 07/01/2020 from my original article dated 20/12/19)

[*ADDED 10/01/2020: SEE EXCELLENT COMMENT TO THIS ARTICLE BELOW - FROM PHILIP IN THE USA]

In reading the Bible, you begin to see how important Jesus really is.

Jesus was born in the flesh, that all mankind might be SAVED and that all of our sins would be remitted if we receive Jesus as our Saviour, which all Christians also celebrate at Easter time.

Here are some very interesting points about Jesus our Saviour and the Messiah.

JOH.1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

JOH.1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

JOH.1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

If Jesus OR (LOGOS = THE WORD OF GOD),  Is The One Who Created The Physical Universe according to John chapter one, together With The Spirit Of God, as mentioned in Genesis 1

GEN.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

GEN.1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

GEN.1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

What Was ‘God the Father’s Part In The Creation?

I would imagine that God Himself was overseeing everything.

If we imagine Jesus as the tip of the iceberg that sticks above sea-level that we can more easily see and understand, then God the Father is like the part under the water that we simply cannot see or fathom and He is simply too big for us to comprehend.

We can certainly understand Jesus, as he has been one of us in the flesh and perfectly understands all of our trials and sorrows and heartaches. Jesus is our advocate or intercessor with the Father.

HEB.7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

I wanted to bring out that are  distinct instances within the Bible to point to the fact that it was Jesus Himself that visited certain Patriarchs and prophets in the Bible, including Adam and Eve, Abraham and Moses in the Burning Bush, as well as Shadrach, Meshech, and Abednego in the Book of Daniel

The first example is concerning Jesus visiting Abraham in around 2000 BCE in the form of Melchisedec together with two angels.

Melchisedec came to visit Abraham after the slaughter of the kings. The Book of Hebrews goes into this in great detail, which is very important to know.

Unfortunately, the Jewish Book of Jasher, gets it wrong on this important point as it tries to call Melchisedec – Adonizedec, stating that he was in fact Shem or a forefather of Abraham which is simply not true.

Sad, as the Book of Jasher, which I have just written about in my new books ‘JASHER INSIGHTS’ books I and II is very good in most things, but on this particular topic, is probably where the Book of Jasher is the most in error of the facts. (See JASHER INSIGHTS BOOK I Chapter 16)

For this reason it is essential to know the Book of Hebrews in the New Testament really well, as it was  Paul the apostle’s exhortation directly to the Jews about this very matter.

HEB.6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

HEB.7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

HEB.7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

HEB.7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

HEB.7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Another example of Jesus visiting one of His prophets in the Old Testament is in the Book of Daniel around 600 BCE

DAN.3:23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

DAN.3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.

DAN.3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

DAN.3:26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.

HERE IS A GOOD ARGUMENT ABOUT: WAS IT JESUS OR GOD WHO SPOKE DIRECTLY TO THE PATRIARCHS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

Other Old Testament encounters with the pre-incarnate Christ.

Let’s consider the Garden of Eden in Genesis 3, knowing that the pre-incarnate Christ was there with Adam & Eve.

*But how do we know this was the pre-incarnate Christ? -- Again, we know this because of the evidence we find in the New Testament.

The following Bible verse totally nails the TRUTH about CREATION and just as John wrote in the first chapter of his Gospel:

John 1:18, “No one has seen God (The Father) at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him”

*In other words, at that time, no one had seen God the Father at any time.

This would mean that many of the instances in the entire Bible of accounts of people meeting God in person, such as Adam and Eve in the cool of day conversing with the Lord to all the patriarchs including Abraham and Moses and the 'Burning Bush' to many of the prophets, that it would often have been the pre-incarnate Son of God or the eternal God the Son was conversing with His chosen leaders and prophets.

(Added 21/12/19 I will make a distinction here - that of course God the Father has also spoken to some of the prophets and Patriarchs in person, but the prophets could NOT actually SEE God the Father.

In the two examples  that I gave above, about Melchisedec meeting Abraham, and the Son of God meeting Shadrach, Meshech, and Abednego in the burning fiery funace belonging to Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, people could actually SEE the Son of God, whilst it is clear from the Gospel of John 1:18, “No one has seen God (The Father) at any time.

SOURCE: https://www.sermoncentral.com/sermons/christ-in-the-garden-of-eden-rick-crandall-sermon-on-god-s-forgiveness-162903

 

Moses on the Mount

Consider the following amazing verses where Jesus is shown to be YAHWEH IN THE Old Testament:

  •  “… Every knee will bend to me, and every tongue will declare allegiance to me” (Isaiah 45:23).
  • “This is what the Lord says—your Redeemer and Creator: ‘I am the Lord, who made all things. I alone stretched out the heavens. Who was with me when I made the earth?’” (Isaiah 44:24).
  • “’… You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God—there never has been, and there never will be. I, yes I, am the Lord, and there is no other Saviour.’” (Isaiah 43:10-11)
  • “This is what the Lord says—Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord of Heaven’s Armies:  ‘I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.’” (Isaiah 44:6)

NEW TESTAMENT VERSES ABOUT JESUS THE MESSIAH

  • “…that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:10-11).
  • “…for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him” (Colossians 1:16).
  • “For Jesus is the one referred to in the Scriptures … There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:11-12).
  • “This is the message from the one who is the First and the Last, who was dead but is now alive” (Revelation 2:8).

SOURCE: https://y-jesus.com/is-jesus-the-god-who-spoke-to-moses/#.XftAXBunyUk

The big question is: Was it God the Father that created the physical universe as portrayed by the Jewish Old Testament religion or was it just Jesus the LOGOS or Word of God and the Holy Spirit who did all the creating of the physical universe?

Thinking about it prayerfully for a minute, if God and the Holy Spirit are very closely knit, and if they are also very close to their Beloved Son Jesus the Word of God, then it stands to reason that all three of them participated in creating the physical universe, as scriptures clearly tell us that these three agree as ONE.

1JN.5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Concerning the Spirit of God: (See WISDOM in Proverbs 8) The Holy Spirit is apparently Female:

PRO.8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

PRO.8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.

PRO.8:3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

PRO.8:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

When God created Adam and Eve, what were His exact words?

GEN.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN.1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Let us create man in our image and male and female created He them. God was obviously talking to a female being which was God’s wife, the Holy Spirit

Why has both Christianity and the Jewish religion kept it a secret that God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are actually three distinct eternal beings, although they agree as One. God the Father, the Holy Spirit Mother, and Jesus their only Begotten son.

All of the physical creation reflects both MALE and FEMALE as both are very much needed for any type of creation. God’s Creation is a reflection on God the Father and the Holy Spirit Mother. Jesus is the Word of God and through Him God created all things according to John 1.1

Jesus is the Son of God and the Holy Spirit, and he waits to get His Bride - the entire resurrected Bride of Christ.

Again reflecting both MALE AND FEMALE attributes. See more about the Female Holy Spirit in my books 'Enoch Insights' and others.

See the following for more information about God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. What is the difference between them?

www.christian-history.org/logos-of-god.html

Here is information from yet another source: https://bibleask.org/what-is-the-difference-between-the-father-son-and-holy-spirit/

[ADDED 23/12/19 This comment was sent in today by my  friend Robert:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for this latest publication.

 I thought you may find the following verse interesting concerning your discourse about God, the Holy Ghost, and the Son.

This is not something I discovered but read many years ago in an obscure writing by whom I can no longer remember.

It concerns Luke 1:35.

 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

 As you can see from this verse it would appear to involve, for want of a better word, two distinct “entities” in the bringing forth of the Son of God, the Holy Ghost and the Highest (God the Father).] - END OF COMMENT.

 

There is a very great MYSTERY about JESUS as the SON of GOD as brought out first of all by Enoch of Old around 5000 to 5400 years ago.

BOOK OF ENOCH: CHAPTER 105.1 ‘For I and My Son will be united with them forever in the paths of righteousness in their lives, and Ye shall have peace: Rejoice, Ye Children of  Righteousness’. Amen

The following is taken from my book ‘ENOCH INSIGHTS’: THE RETURN OF THE MESSIAH:

'Here is a description of Jesus from the OLD TESTAMENT':

DAN.7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

DAN.7:14 And there was given him (The Son of man) dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

DAN.7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

PSA.72:11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.

PSA.72:19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen

PSA.96:10 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigns: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

PSA.96:11 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fullness thereof.

PSA.96:12 Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice.

PSA.96:13 Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

ISA.11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

ISA.11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

ISA.11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

ISA.11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

ISA.11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

DAN.2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

DAN.7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down (The Anti-Christ and his demonic rulers), and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

DAN.7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Here is a description of Jesus from the NEW TESTAMENT:

MAT.24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shines even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

MAT.24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

MAT.24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

MAT.24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

REV.1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

REV.1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

REV.1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

REV.1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shines in his strength.

REV.19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon

him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

REV.19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

REV.19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

REV.19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

REV.19:15 And out of his mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rules them with a rod of iron: and he treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

REV.19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

1TI.6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1TI.6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS:

FROM MY BOOK 'ENOCH INSIGHTS': Look at the following amazing verse:

BOOK OF ENOCH CHAPTER 84.2 'Blessed be thou, O Lord Great and mighty. Thy greatness Lord of the whole Creation of the heaven. King of Kings and God of the whole world, and thy power and kingship and thy greatness abide for ever and ever, throughout all generations Thy dominion; and all the heavens are Thy throne for ever, and the whole earth Thy footstool for ever and ever.

FROM MY BOOK ‘EZDRAS INSIGHTS’ (APOCRYPHAL BOOK OF II EZDRAS)

2 Ezdras 2.23 Be ready for the rewards of the kingdom, because the eternal light will shine upon you for evermore. Flee from the shadow of this age, receive the joy of your glory. I publicly call on my Saviour to witness.

2 Ezdras 2.24 Receive what the Lord has entrusted to you and be joyful, giving thanks to him who has called you to heavenly kingdoms. Rise and stand, and see at the feast of the Lord the number of those who have been sealed.*

(See Revelations Chapter 7 and 14 about the 144,000 who were sealed and were with the Lamb of God.)

2 Ezdras 2. 27 I, Ezra, saw on Mount Zion a great multitude, which I could notnumber, and they were praising the Lord with songs. In their midst was a young man of great stature, taller than any of the others, and on the head of each of them he placed a crown, but he was more exalted thenthey. And I was held spellbound.

2 Ezdras 2.29 Then I said to the angel, “Who is that young man who placed crowns on them and puts palms in their hands?” He answered and said to me,“He is the Son of God, whom they confessed in the world.” So, I began to praise those who had stood valiantly for the name of the Lord.

(These are just a few verses of many that mention the Messiah and the Son of God in my book ‘Ezdras Insights’, which also talks about the Bride of Christ over 400 years before Christ was born in the flesh.)

HERE IS A WONDERFUL VERSE ABOUT THE MESSIAH DESCENDING FROM ABRAHAM IN THE FLESH FROM MY BOOK 'JUBILEES INSIGHTS' (Yet to be published)

JUBILEES 16.26 And he blessed his Creator who had created him in his generation, for He had created him according to His good pleasure; for He knew and perceived that from him would arise the 'plant of righteousness' for the eternal generations, and from him a holy seed, so that it should become like Him who had made all things.

C.3 ‘perceived that from him (Abraham) would arise the ‘plant of righteousness’ for the eternal generations, and from him a ‘holy seed’ Here it is stating that from Abraham would come both the Messiah and the promised seed of Israel (Zion)

N.B Zion is not only a physical reference - but also a spiritual one as well, and includes all those who are saved In Christ.

ISA.61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

TO FIND SALVATION ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS RECEIVE JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOUR.

THE FOLLOWING LINK ON MY WEBSITE MAKES IT VERY SIMPLE

SALVATION: http://www.outofthebottomlesspit.co.uk/418605189

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PUBLIC REACTIONS AND COMMENTS:

10/01/2020  Thanks, Steve.  I’m not sure this is what you were getting at in your recent post, but you raised questions about the Trinity that almost never get talked about in a “religious” setting, although people are bound to wonder about it whether they’re religious or not.  
 
If we’re created in the image and likeness of God, and if there are three of them up there, it seems logical that their relationships would somehow mirror ours.  If you explained this to children and told them there were three people in Heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, those children would logically conclude that God the Father is married to God the Mother, and Jesus is the Son, wouldn't they?   Some kids might wonder who performed the ceremony!   Jesus couldn’t have done it because He wasn’t even born yet.     

 There are a lot of implications to this simple childlike view of the Trinity, sexual implications, which of course are taboo and probably heretical in the minds of most Christians.  You not only have to get a license to do your wife, to even have a wife, you have to get a license--a theological degree--to even talk about it publicly. 

 Bringing God and His Wife into the conversation might be confusing to a lot of people, but leaving God out of it is probably what confused them in the first place!  Why the big mystery?   If we’re created in the image and likeness of God, wouldn’t we also create and procreate the way God does?  Creating other humans is really the only thing we’re capable of creating from scratch, but that’s the way God created the whole universe!--out of nothing.   If sex is still the easiest, purest way for us to show our love for another human being--maybe not always the best way but certainly the easiest!--why shouldn’t it have been “easy” for God to have created the entire universe and enjoyed Himself--and Herself--in the process?      

Who says God can't have a little fun with his Girlfriend?   Who’s going to stop them?   Where does it say in the Bible that God has to be celibate and that His Wife is still a Virgin?   The Catholics have this doctrine of the “perpetual virginity" of Mary the mother of Jesus---even after all the other kids she had--but they even apply it to God Himself, and Herself.   Why can’t they have a little fun together?--and why, if they are the Image and Likeness that we are created in, can’t they enjoy themselves the way we do?--the way Adam and Eve did, and Moses did, and David did, and Jesus did.   That doctrine of celibacy didn’t come into the picture until Paul brought it in, but he had enough sense and enough humility to admit that he was speaking for himself and not for God, “This saith I, not the Lord.”   Maybe he was saying he didn’t like women!--but that God still did.--Which is more than the Catholic Church is willing to admit.